Why CPO when you buy a Used Car? This is Why. (Updated)

"Mosqvich" (mosqvich)
11/01/2014 at 17:30 • Filed to: Roadside, BMW, 135i, Automatic

I started my car up the other day and it ran a little rough. I turned it off, let it sit for a bit and restarted it and everything was just fine. This morning, on the other hand, it started up and was running rough again. Fortunately I have an !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! code reader in my car and it revealed the code indicating cylinder 4 was not firing.

!!! UNKNOWN CONTENT TYPE !!!

Did I panic? Nope. I shut the car off and reached for my iPhone with the BMW Roadside app. Within 40 minutes a guy in a very pink tow truck loaded my car up and whisked away to my local BMW dealer. On Monday morning I'll have a free loaner BMW and a no-cost repair. Why? Because I bought a car that is Factory Certified Pre-Owned and has 2 years of warranty left on it. Eat your heart out Doug DeMuro!! It didn't take CarMax to protect my interests.

Below is what happens when Cylinder 4 isn't firing - gas and fumes coming out the back of the car.

Update : The car was in the shop for about 5 hours total. The problem was a faulty injector. Because the injectors were all below a 10 index they had to be changed. According to !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! :

Vehicles with the old injector 7585261 will need to inspect their existing injectors to determine if these can be replaced individually. With an index of 11 or greater, injectors may be replaced individually with a new injector. If the index is 10 or less, all 6 injectors in an inline-6 engine must be replaced.

I picked up the car and paid the $50 deductible. It turns out each fuel injector goes for about $157 plus labor. I figure the job would have cost right around $1300. When I bought the car, I managed to get about $3k off the price. I would say this one single incident covered the cost of the vehicle being Certified Pre Owned.

DISCUSSION (100)

Steve in Manhattan > Mosqvich
11/01/2014 at 16:40

This is the Car Guys' advice at a different level. Get a used car checked by a mechanic you pay, or better yet, go CPO. If there's anything wrong, it's on them.

Tim (Fractal Footwork) > Mosqvich
11/01/2014 at 16:42

Do you know of just a code reader app (and accompanying cable)?

Mosqvich > Steve in Manhattan
11/01/2014 at 16:42

I have one CPO car and another that isn't. The one without CPO, I had a full Pre Purchase Inspection done. I know what the issues could be. The CPO BMW was a must - I don't want to spend a zillion on this car, at least not while I'm paying for it!

 > Mosqvich
11/01/2014 at 16:42

Here is advice from yet another level. Rip your motor apart in your driveway and figure out what the problem is. Then fix the mother fucker. Miss a days worth of work because you are without a car then show up 2 days later with busted knuckles and dirty finger nails.

Mosqvich >
11/01/2014 at 16:43

I'll skip doing that - this time around. I've done that a few times with an older BMW I had.

Mosqvich > Tim (Fractal Footwork)
11/01/2014 at 16:45

There are several. They run about $125 and higher. Here's a link to BavAutoSport: http://www.bavauto.com/shop.asp?HC1=0…

AM3R > Mosqvich
11/01/2014 at 16:47

Think you'll get a 2 series loaner?

Mosqvich > AM3R
11/01/2014 at 16:50

I'm betting it'll be a 320i or an X1. A 2-series would be nice, but they're still a little scarce.

Steve in Manhattan > Mosqvich
11/01/2014 at 16:55

A glance at my screen name will tell you why I don't need a car. If I did, I'd probably go CPO S5 (RS unncessary, in my opinion) or CPO M4 or 435i, or maybe even a previous-gen M5. But on a complex machine like yours, those cars, yeah - give me a manufacturer's warranty. Or CarMax, because I believe you can have it serviced at the dealer if you choose.

Mosqvich > Steve in Manhattan
11/01/2014 at 16:57

BMW Roadside delivered it the dealer. I wouldn't trust anyone else.

Steve in Manhattan > Mosqvich
11/01/2014 at 17:10

Didn't know that was a thing. The lawyer in me likes it because if they screw up the car while towing it, it pulls in BMW, perhaps. Rule #1 of civil litigation - don't sue people without money for money damages. Unless you like the looks of a framed judgment on your wall.

DasWauto > Tim (Fractal Footwork)
11/01/2014 at 17:18

Torque (Pro) + Bluetooth OBD2 adapter.

nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul > DasWauto
11/01/2014 at 18:35

That's the one I use. Sure it has all sorts of cool sensor readings but the code reader is the best.

btc909 > Mosqvich
11/01/2014 at 18:50

How does a car become a CPO car? Could be a lease trade in. Could even come from a used car lot or a rental agency and a "fee" is paid for the CPO inspection / certification.

You are better off leasing and selling the lease to a dealer.

 V8 Rustler > Mosqvich
11/01/2014 at 18:55

BMtroubleu

Justme >
11/01/2014 at 19:45

@BignSlow What part of "it's under warranty" did you not understand? For one, warranty means that "any defects in factory workmanship" are covered warranty. Screw something up on one of these newer cars and suddenly it's not a warranty issue, but a repair that could cost THOUSANDS out of your own pocket. Yeah, as if I am going to rip apart a motor that could cost five figures to replace out of my own pocket, when it's under warranty. We haven't even gotten into the cost of dealer labor for non-warranty repairs - last time I checked was around $150 PER HOUR. Are you writing the check on that, Daddy Warbucks?

This isn't a '57 Chevy with three on the tree. It's a 2008 to 2014 BMW 1-series that cost around $32k to nearly $50k when it was new.

 > Justme
11/01/2014 at 19:49

Cool story bro. Tell it again to someone who cares.

Mosqvich > btc909
11/01/2014 at 20:15

Not from a rental, but likely a lease car.

AMGtech - now with more recalls! >
11/01/2014 at 20:16

Wait to do that until warranty is up, otherwise it might be voided. Yes, we can tell when someone was messing around who shouldn't have been. On cars like this it may not even be a mechanical or hardware issue, it may be software in the engine control module.

Buick Mackane > Mosqvich
11/01/2014 at 20:39

So in essence you are saying, your shiny, expensive, silver colored German car broke down and you had to have a tow truck take it to the dealer to fix it.

Kat Callahan > Mosqvich
11/01/2014 at 21:41

Bought my BMW with a CPO. No question, best decision.

philsphan09 > Mosqvich
11/02/2014 at 09:50

Amen to go CPO. I did it with a 335 XI and once that warranty was up, traded it in for a CPO S4. The extra bit spent on getting a CPO car has already paid for itself. Also is so nice to be able to get a loaner car for free, have all oil changes+ maintenance covered.

Mosqvich > Buick Mackane
11/02/2014 at 12:50

Yes! But at no cost.

Tom McParland > Mosqvich
11/02/2014 at 17:35

CPO on an Accord...maybe, maybe not. CPO on a BMW...definitely.

thebigbossyboss > Mosqvich
11/02/2014 at 17:36

CPO is good for an expensive car. For my 1992 Ford Tempo ($2100 back in 2005) better just to get CAA (Roadside assistance at $100 / year)

Collin > Mosqvich
11/02/2014 at 18:10

Bought my BMW off Craigslist. Wasn't murdered. Car still runs. My anecdote disproves you because internet.

TheLT > Mosqvich
11/02/2014 at 18:22

CPO for sure. When I bought my S4 it was any easy choice: 2013 model with 50k warranty or the similarly equipped 2012 model, with 12k miles on it, an 88k warranty, that also costs $16k less?

No brainer lol.

mhadden > Kat Callahan
11/02/2014 at 18:29

Ditto!

TheDouble-ClutchBandit > Mosqvich
11/02/2014 at 18:29

I'm really glad you posted this, since this is a smart decision that people really overlook. I think overlook is too kind of a term, actually, since there's a lot of derision towards people who go CPO w/warranty. "Tool" gets thrown around a lot.

special_k_side > Mosqvich
11/02/2014 at 18:31

One thing I hate about modern vehicles, is the part that usually fails, is related to emissions, and is very expensive. As the years go on, a persons ability to bypass faulty part to limp the vehicle home becomes less and less. A code reader only tells you what the fault is, rarely exactly what the issue is. A missfire on a cylinder? Wow, faulty coil (Most vehicles have a coil per plug nowadays) A faulty spark plug that may bench test OK when cold, but on a hot day while hitting a bump...... Yes, I keep a code reader handy at all times, but when the reader shows nothing, you still need the ability to trouble shoot. Nothing worse than being in the middle of no where, with a broken vehicle, no cell service, but only your whits and a tool kit. :) Lucky you had a tow truck handy! Oily side down! :)

San Baban > Mosqvich
11/02/2014 at 18:32

as it has been said many many times, CPO for European cars and the high end cars. but for the Japanese cars, especially Honda and Toyota its really useless.

TheDouble-ClutchBandit > Buick Mackane
11/02/2014 at 18:32

What's with all this Jalopnik German hate?

SMRZ > Tom McParland
11/02/2014 at 18:34

I CPO'd an accord back in 05. Had to have the transmission replaced 3 months after I got it.

jalop1991 > Tom McParland
11/02/2014 at 18:35

CPO on an Accord...maybe, maybe not.

CPO on anything Honda (including Acura)—fucking required.

Or have you never heard of their transmission stories in conjunction with how they started dealing with said same customers after the economy crashed?

Fuck Honda.

jalop1991 >
11/02/2014 at 18:37

Why should he do that?

Have Jeep, will travel. > Mosqvich
11/02/2014 at 18:37

CPO is good to have. Looks like another bad injector. Depending on which ones it has you may get one, three, or all six.

bk335 > Mosqvich
11/02/2014 at 18:38

N54? Good chance it's either a bad coil or injector. The N54 seems to eat through plugs and coils and some have the recalled injectors. I have only had one issue with my N54 over the past 2 years and I've got a tune so I've had really good luck to say the least (knock on wood).

Ark > DasWauto
11/02/2014 at 18:38

Torque isn't quite a factory scan tool, but it's got 90% of the capability for 1% of the cost. Every gearhead should have a bluetooth adapter and Torque.

fintail > TheDouble-ClutchBandit
11/02/2014 at 18:40

Some have issues, probably seeing that the Germans absolutely stomped on the high end of the American market a generation or so ago, and they can't get over it.

 > jalop1991
11/02/2014 at 18:41

I guess sarcasm is lost on you too.

fintail > Buick Mackane
11/02/2014 at 18:41

If it broke down, how else would one get it to the dealer to fix it for free?

shadowx360 >
11/02/2014 at 18:43

Judging from experience...probably a blown ignition coil. It's a huge pain to get to, under the turbos. Can't beat free warranty and a shiny new loaner. Though seriously, without CPO, I'd probably buy another car because mine seems to spend half its days in my garage torn apart waiting for parts to arrive.

Kommandante > Mosqvich
11/02/2014 at 18:43

Kinja'd!!!

What happens when you start up any internal combustion engine - gas, fumes, and condensation coming out the back

Mercwri > Mosqvich
11/02/2014 at 18:44

Ahem, that isn't raw gas out of your tail-pipes, that is water which is a byproduct of your Cat burning off the extra-rich fuel mix.

suecarol and gunther sebaceous > Mosqvich
11/02/2014 at 18:44

sir, that must be a misprint but the cpo dude said you'll get some free boning in a bmw? hooobooy

Achieve > AMGtech - now with more recalls!
11/02/2014 at 18:45

Just bought an '06 C55, 55K miles, no warranty. Wanna be my new best friend?

DatHoonDoe > jalop1991
11/02/2014 at 18:45

The only transmissions that had problems were 02-05 Automatic transmissions paired with a V6. Honda fixed it with a recall too, it wasn't that big of a deal. Unless you have an 03-05 Honda with an automatic tranny (why would you?), you shouldn't have any problem, Hondas are bulletproof aside from that.

jalop1991 >
11/02/2014 at 18:47

Oh, is that what your autistic mind thought you were doing?

Pcannizzaro1986 > DasWauto
11/02/2014 at 18:49

What Bluetooth obd2 adapter do you use

All Motor Is Best Motor > SMRZ
11/02/2014 at 18:49

Unique case where a certain transmission that went in the Accord, Oddyssey, and some Acuras was a total dud. Long story short, 2-3 clutch pack was shitty and would wear out, spread metal through the trans and cause lots of wear. They ironed out the issue after 2005 (basically stopped using that trans).

D > Collin
11/02/2014 at 18:49

bulletproof

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > Achieve
11/02/2014 at 18:50

Jealous is what I'll be. Those are stupid hard to find. And awesome. Very solid though, I don't think you have much to worry about.

regaleagle > Mosqvich
11/02/2014 at 18:51

i've owned two 3 series... an e36 that was a disaster to maintain and this was back in the late 90's so it wasn't very old ... water pumps, radiators, control arms, weak bearings.. the next was an 08 335i and well same thing but different parts... a warranty is a must imo with a bmw an absolute must.

jalop1991 > DatHoonDoe
11/02/2014 at 18:51

bzzzzt. Thanks for playing.

From Sept. 1997 (the first of the 98 model year) through mid-2004, Honda built not one but TWO ENTIRELY DIFFERENT GENERATIONS of auto transmissions designed to hook to their 6 cylinder engines. And BOTH of those models—the 4 speed and the 5 speed—were, and are, grenades just waiting to explode. All of them.

You are seriously, woefully uninformed. Honda likes that.

Now let's talk about their legendary goodwill program, and how it went from stellar and loyalty-inducing into the "fuck the customers, they bought it, it's their problem" wagon roundup that Chrysler practically patented back in the 70s and 80s.

No, Honda showed themselves to be nothing more than the worst of any carmaker's darkest times (for example, Chrysler).

TheDouble-ClutchBandit > fintail
11/02/2014 at 18:51

Well, look at his name.

shadowx360 > Steve in Manhattan
11/02/2014 at 18:53

Seriously. Don't get a BMW without warranty unless you got a ton of free time and a backup car. In the past year, across 3 BMWs, I've seen two fried water pumps, starter, ignition coils, manifolds, turbos, more ignition coils, warped rotors, blown seals, wheel bearings, TCU's, pulleys, tensioners and bent control arms. If you don't have warranty, you better buy three so you got a backup car for the backup car.

TrollYourBoat > Mosqvich
11/02/2014 at 18:57

How cute, a code reader. I love it when people pull their own codes and try to fix stuff. Makes me money.

Lawyer_Applegate > Mosqvich
11/02/2014 at 18:58

DeMuro's too smart to buy a BMW.

DatHoonDoe > jalop1991
11/02/2014 at 18:58

Like I said before, that's very fucking specific. V6+AUTO+98-04...The only cars that I can think of with that combination are the old Odyssey, the old Pilot and an old auto V6 Accord. I would have to question anyone's sanity for buying either. And like I said, aside from that, Honda has never had any major widespread mechanical problems. They've never built something as shitty as a Cavalier, so try again.

MooseKnuckles > Pcannizzaro1986
11/02/2014 at 19:00

any of the ones on ebay or amazon

Countersteer > Mosqvich
11/02/2014 at 19:01

Kinja'd!!!

Is it just me or does this bother you guys too? I've used ratchet straps to bend the frame on a boat trailer. I could see a hamfisted tow truck driver really screw up the rear alignment.

Achieve > AMGtech - now with more recalls!
11/02/2014 at 19:01

Thanks. Not a scratch/ dent/ paint fade/ leather wear/ squeak. None. I was all :0

Countersteer > Countersteer
11/02/2014 at 19:01

... and... I'm in the gray. grrr....

Qwagmire > Kat Callahan
11/02/2014 at 19:03

got mine 550 with CPO, covered the few issues I had except it didn't cover moron #1 taking a right turn from the left lane (4 lane road).

 > jalop1991
11/02/2014 at 19:03

I was actually doing your mother but her fat ass distracted me.

Whatabouteggs > DasWauto
11/02/2014 at 19:04

What's a good bluetooth obd2 reader these days? It's been a while since I looked them up and i need to get torque going on my nexus 7.

High Road > Steve in Manhattan
11/02/2014 at 19:05

Of course taking it to a mechanic is good advice; but I hate it. It just irks me that so many people know so little about cars. I've literally purchased over 30 cars/trucks and I've never taken one to a mechanic, because when I test drive the vehicle I know if something is wrong. I can feel a miss, I can feel the brakes, the steering, the shocks. I can look at, and smell the fluids....If there is a problem, I'll know it. Certainly, trained factory mechanics are invaluable for repairs, (ain't nobody got time for that) but how can anyone call themselves a "Car Guy" and not know at least enough to tell if a car is worth buying?

Lomac > Tom McParland
11/02/2014 at 19:05

Bought a CPO 7g Accord a few years ago. Manual transmission (not the dreaded slushbox). Second gear shredded itself and the resulting damage destroyed half the syncros and gears. Best investment i had made in ages having that warranty!

TailsNeon556 > Mosqvich
11/02/2014 at 19:06

Its probably a bad injector if the coil checks out ok. They are common failures. The new ones have to be programmed into the PCM.

Bolla > Mosqvich
11/02/2014 at 19:06

Sorry for being a bit European and confused, but what is a CPO car?

justinf > Mosqvich
11/02/2014 at 19:07

Few questions for you. Is this the 128 or 135? How many miles on it?

MyBMWNeedsARotary > TheDouble-ClutchBandit
11/02/2014 at 19:08

IMHO they deserve the hate they get (coming from a guy who owns and is currently fixing an e36 coupe). There are things on the car makes you question if the designer had ever seen a wrench before (window mech I'm looking at you). They are also expensive to fix just in parts alone, even with pelican parts, and other part wholesalers. They also do dumb stuff like use a wheel bolt pattern no one else uses so you can't buy those sweet ssr rims you want. It's dumb stuff like that. Next car I'm going to get is going to be a mazda miata or first gen rx7 so that I can fix it with angry eyes and mean words.

PartySloth >
11/02/2014 at 19:11

Woaah. Impressive.

bavarianstig > Mosqvich
11/02/2014 at 19:13

As a proud CPO 135i owner myself, I understand the benefits of the program. However, I hardly call this an example where CPO is essential. A single cool pack isn't going to set you back much.

clintkev251 > Pcannizzaro1986
11/02/2014 at 19:14

BAFX Products - Bluetooth OBD2 scan tool - For check engine light & diagnostics - Android ONLY by BAFX Products http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005NLQAHS/…

Cheap, reliable and does everything you need. Be careful of some knockoffs of this that won't work with torque

Experimental > Mosqvich
11/02/2014 at 19:14

As a fellow 135i owner...I feel your pain. Is the car up on all it's recalls?

TrollYourBoat > Ark
11/02/2014 at 19:15

It's worthless to anyone but backyard mechanics.

Noroxus > Ark
11/02/2014 at 19:15

Meh, Torque is pretty bad, and horrible UI as well. Just get any reader you want. Free ones do the job just as well.

Noroxus > Whatabouteggs
11/02/2014 at 19:16

Just get a cheapie Elm 7. It's what I use. Check reviews, etc., it generally doesn't matter.

TheDouble-ClutchBandit > MyBMWNeedsARotary
11/02/2014 at 19:19

If you were the head of BMW, you'd probably want to make proprietary parts for your cars too, given the amount of money you could make from that. I'm not condoning that idea, but from a business perspective it makes complete sense. Also, pre-owned german cars are often pre-owned by someone who drove them hard, especially the sportier models (E36 coupe included). If you want reliability, you go Japanese and for a long ass time it's been that way. German cars in my experience are more reliable than American cars, especially the new ones. Consumer Reports is on my side as well.

Eurotuned30tt > Tim (Fractal Footwork)
11/02/2014 at 19:20

P3cars.Com Have Vent Integrated Ones For BMW

HolmerS > Mosqvich
11/02/2014 at 19:21

Bought my '07 335 with a CPO. Never had an issue that wasn't a recall. At least one they would cover. A friend pushed too hard and broke the clip which sent the USB port under the console and that repair wasn't covered nor cheap. But the oil changes were all covered and I could get a loaner even for that!

It had 8 thousand miles when I bought it. Now it's paid for and just shy of 60 thousand. Still going strong and a blast to drive. Especially through the curves. For the first time, my normal new car fever (I've always been afflicted every couple of years) has been overcome by the knowledge that I would miss this car too much if I changed again.

So I'm thinking about a wrap, and stage one or two kit from DINAN. That'll make it better than new and won't break the bank, and it would bring it closer to the new M in performance. Not quite, but close enough.

Of course, none of that really pertains. I bought a CPO for the piece of mind. I was taking on a big loan payment, and I didn't need big repairs bills with it. The CPO program helped insure that my first BMW would be a great experience. Not a nightmare.

D-Rad > Mosqvich
11/02/2014 at 19:24

I purchased an extended new car 3 year warranty on my 135i, only rule is, that it must be serviced at it's indicated intervals. It doesn't even have to be done through BMW - although I do get serviced through BMW, there is no excess on claims and I believe it may have already paid for itself!

Rand0nS >
11/02/2014 at 19:24

Who stuck the mud stick up this guys ass? No one wants to tear down a newer BMW engine to repair it, And even less people want to pay someone to do it. CPO is a great idea for a car like this,

Flextechmgmt > Mosqvich
11/02/2014 at 19:25

ah.. the dreaded P0304 cylinder misfire.. had that code on my impreza. It's the worst!

DasWauto > Pcannizzaro1986
11/02/2014 at 19:26

I don't actually have one but have used a friend's. I'll have to ask what it is. As far as I know though all or almost all of them should work to pull codes. Meanwhile, here's a list on Torque's wiki page: https://torque-bhp.com/wiki/Bluetooth…

Milky > MyBMWNeedsARotary
11/02/2014 at 19:26

Complains about German reliability, wants a rotary.

??????????

Steve in Manhattan > High Road
11/02/2014 at 19:26

I know more about cars than most, but given the complexity of modern cars, if it's not a CPO, I want, say, a Volvo guy looking at a Volvo I'm thinking about. If there's a blown head gasket, I can tell - if there's bad compression in 1 of 5 cylinders, I probably can't discern that. And I want to see if it's throwing any codes - the Check Engine light might be out. And a Volvo guy might say "yeah, this [expensive] piece of the suspension goes on these all the time." Belt and suspenders perhaps, but worth the money.

Rand0nS >
11/02/2014 at 19:27

you absolutely suck at sarcasm. Plenty of people have done exactly what you posted in your response.

DasWauto > Whatabouteggs
11/02/2014 at 19:27

I used a friend's but don't remember what it is. Torque wiki page has a list of them though: https://torque-bhp.com/wiki/Bluetooth…

Rand0nS >
11/02/2014 at 19:28

So big means fat and slow means stupid. Got it.

Beju > Qwagmire
11/02/2014 at 19:29

Sounds like the kind of asshole most responsible for non-self induced (i.e., alcohol and excessive speed related) motorcycle fatalities.

tsmit > Mosqvich
11/02/2014 at 19:32

or just buy a reliable car :P though seriously bmw love to misfire it's like their most favorite thing evar and when you buy a used bmw you can either a)pay for warranty or b) pay for repairs these cars are not happy to have miles/age on em

dubgasm > Whatabouteggs
11/02/2014 at 19:33

I use this BAFX one and it works great with torque

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00…

Nate with shorter name > Ark
11/02/2014 at 19:34

Where do I plug the bluetooth adapter into my '88 Wrangler?

Spammo6 > Mosqvich
11/02/2014 at 19:35

LOL I thought this was a site for "car guys". Who the hell would overpay by at least $5k just to get CPO? Wow, a coil failed...you can do that replacement on the side of the road for $80 in parts and 30 minutes of work. On my 5th BMW now, and outside of the ones that were bought new, would never buy a warranty. Very easy to DIY, and CPO is a a complete rip-off.

doug.shaw > Mosqvich
11/02/2014 at 19:36

bought my m3 not cpo (too damn old anyway)...keeps me off the street and out of the bars at night (because, of course, i'm in my garage replacing parts that i'm broke from buying). so, as some have said, "take that."

Spammo6 > Justme
11/02/2014 at 19:37

Hey, grandpa, since when do repairs to 2008-2014 BMWs cost thousands, especially for a failed coil? Its a 30 minute repair for me to do in the driveway (and I've done it numerous times). His car is under warranty, but only because he overpaid for it by at least $5k, to get the CPO. So 30 minutes of work, $100 in parts...vs $5k+ in extra fees for this warranty.

loonatic112358 > Mosqvich
11/02/2014 at 19:39

I think you have a ways to go before you catch up with Doug DeMuro after all, he did purchase a used Range Rover. Used British vehicles, it's like asking to be cursed by Lucas Lord of Darkness

iceman34572 > Ark
11/02/2014 at 19:40

I completely agree. I've had mine for 2 1/2 years and I use it every day. I use the track recorder as my dash cam, and have my trans, engine, and intake temps as digital gauges, as well as trip mpg, instant mpg, average mpg, HP and torque, and speed. Doesn't hurt to have video in case someone hits me, or a dishonest cop tries saying that I was speeding when I wasn't.